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Are social news sites like Digg useful anymore?

Sure, I understand that “useful” is a general and sometimes useless term. It’s relative and subjective; what’s useful to someone may not be to someone else.

But I pose the question nonetheless about social news sites, Digg being the grand daddy of the lot: are they useful anymore?

To be sure, Digg continues to be popular, clocking in at a stellar 113 in Alexa’s ranking system these days. But as some have noted, its expansion has caused it to include an increasing burden of non-tech articles. Going non-tech doesn’t necessarily translate to less useful stories, but I believe that Digg and other social news sites are trending toward factoid stories, “weird news,” and shock value headlines and less toward news that may be truly useful to an online media consumer.

Flashy headers with no substance, in other words.

Let’s take an anecdotal look at the front pages of Digg and Reddit – two of the leading social news sites – and then contrast it against meme-trackers Techmeme and Memeorandum.

Digg
The top three Digg stories – or the hottest stories burning up the huge Digg community and therefore blasting to the top of the front page – as of this writing are:

* Vaccines do not cause autism!
* 60 Photography Links You Can’t Live Without
* When burning gas is good for the planet

Scanning down the rest of the page, we do find some headline tech news (HP’s purchase of EDS) mixed in with stories about Albert Einstein’s religious beliefs and “coffin tables.”

So, you could argue that the Digg community is stronger than ever and that these are the stories that the community chooses to vote for and showcase on its famous front page.

However, I’d argue that Digg is increasingly becoming a place to browse idly as you’re about to glaze over at your work desk and you’re desperate for a few seconds of distraction.

But don’t we already have Fark for this?

Moving on…

Reddit
Top three stories:

* Does this girl Ever close her Mouth? [Pics]
* One Dollar [pic]
* US confession: Weapons were not made in Iran after all

I actually used to visit Reddit on a fairly regular basis, but I don’t anymore. If you dig (pardon the pun) hard enough you’ll find some interesting stories, but I don’t have the time or energy to do that when I can find more useful ways to get news elsewhere.

Now let’s look at Techmeme, with its focus on Internet and tech stories, and the political and general news tracker Memeorandum.

Techmeme
Leading off, we again get the story about HP’s acquisition of EDS for $13.9 billion. In this case though we get 35+ publications covering the story, nicely grouped and easy-to-read in a cluster format. We get the original source story from HP as the lead, and a bevy of traditional media (NYT), heavy hitter blogs (GigaOM), and lesser knowns to give a wide array of coverage.

We then have stories about new Apple technology and HBO’s entry into the iTunes store, again with the same cluster format and surrounding conversations on the web.

Memeorandum
Memeorandum is set up in the same format as Techmeme: story clusters with the most important story as the headline. Right now there’s a large cluster fronted by a USA Today piece called Democrats say let the contest continue. Following that are stories about racist incidents and the possible effect on the Obama campaign, and James Carville comments about Obama likely winning the Democratic nomination for president.

No, it’s not completely fair to compare Digg and Reddit directly against Techmeme and Memeorandum. They are different kinds of sites with different purposes.

And my argument is not necessarily a scientific one. That said, my sense is that a year or two ago, I felt that Digg and Reddit were pretty good places to visit to find out what’s going on in the world, or at least to discover interesting stories. I just don’t feel that way anymore, and I know a number of people who feel the same.

I’ve long felt that social news sites are great but could probably use a helpful dose of editorial curation, which means having site editors choose “featured stories” or some such to help seed conversations and set the tone for the site. Propeller does a pretty good job of this, but I believe there will eventually be a new wave of sites that will come around that will improve upon this model.

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May 13th, 2008

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Eric Berlin

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  • Ben
    I don't think social news is useless I think the main representatives *of* social news, the ones that previously or originally defined the genre, have evolved into something else but haven't shaken the *label* social news.
  • Digg lags so far behind my FriendFeed that it's hardly useful to me.
  • I think the answer to the question depends on the site. I don't find Digg to be particularly useful or even fun for that matter.

    However, I have a much different take on Mixx, which has rapidly become one of my favorite sites. There are hundreds of articles and blog posts out there by reformed Diggers about why Mixx is a superior site, so I'll decline to go into too much detail as to why.

    The short version is that Mixx offers superior features (groups, breaking news and tags, just to name a few). A brief review a comment thread from a random front-page submission on either site demonstrates the superiority of Mixx's community relative to chaotic war-zone that Digg comment threads usually become.

    The point is, some sites are useful and some aren't. I don't think that any broad statements as to the usefulness of such sites can be applied to the genre as a whole.
  • I agree bigeasy, and in the end usefulness for a social media platform comes down to the community itself, with features and design and functionality merely helping to support and facilitate media sharing and communication.

    I keep hearing about mixx -- may have to look at Digg vs. Mixx and report my findings ...
  • ojbyrne
    http://news.ycombinator.com
    (not spam just a concise recommendation)
  • it cool website. i like it so much, i am cloning it http://www.youyap.com
  • I think they are useful in that they curate the detritus of our internet fetishes and turn a spotlight on things that historically only existed by word of mouth or in small groups. What would be great interesting is if a major news network took some of these tools and created new perspectives on this -- sort of like Diggnation but with a MEet the Press perspective.
  • Totally see what you're saying Reilly but I think the counter-argument -- that I'm somewhat but not 100% sold on -- is that if the curated detritus is yet more detritus... is there a point to the whole operation?

    That's why I completely agree that the future as I see it for the social news platform is to find niche environments and niche communities -- probably with some sort of editorial overlay.
  • Good point. At some point there's just detritus overload.

    I agree with the notion that social news sites should become more vertical, but some of the early attempts at that have been slow going. I happen to like cars a lot and most of the social news sites for cars have been useless. Other than Digg/Reddit (which are somewhat horizontal, but as we know basically internet culture stuff), are there any truly vertical news sites?
  • Reilly, there are some but as you note none that have really stood out from the pack as yet. It'll happen one of these days, I'd think !
  • They are very useful. It is networking after all.
  • Can you explain a little more what you mean, Spuds? Do you mean that people who are into social bookmarking can find use in sharing what they're into on an online platform? thanks!
  • Great article. You make an excellent point about the decline of quality on digg.

    The real revolution in social media resides with sites that have high customization. On Digg, there's one front page and what doesn't make it to the front page gets lost forever, never seeing the light of day.

    On Mixx.com, the user has the option of creating a group with whatever theme they want. This allows literally anyone to find something of interest. There are hundreds of groups themed anything from apple fans to gay pride.

    I'm really biased because I love mixx, but I don't work for them. I'm just a happy user who loves good content.

    By the way, I came to this site because someone had submitted your article to mixx. I'd never been here before.
  • Thanks for the kind words! :-)

    As I just commented above, I agree that the right mix (so to speak!) of community, editorial curation, and customization has the potential to do gang busters. I've signed up for mixx and will check it out, thanks !
  • I'm not I'm familiar with your alternative. I've always viewed Digg, Reddit, and these bookmarking sites as best-of-what-you-won't easily find, thus making weird news or cool features the bread and butter of the site. Big news articles always fit in, of course, but I never viewed Digg's value in news articles since, eventually, big enough stories rise to the top. Techmeme however is a much more newsy resources and arguably one of the best places to find immediate news. Both remain useful for different reasons and obviously still have tweaking to do to be even more efficient (Digg repeats stories way too much).
  • Social news sites are by their very nature going to be driven by what the community thinks is important. If you find Digg to be a useful resource, that's great -- obviously man others do as well.

    I'm probably biased these days as I find Twitter and Friendfeed to be pretty amazing ways to discover "what I wouldn't easily find." Alternatively, browsing through Digg and Reddit today, it felt more like sifting through the aisles of a thrift store: there are some jewels in there, but you have to have patience, as well as some luck on your side.
  • aseever
    I certainly agree about single-river popularity sites; you'll always get bread and circuses. The new crop of services seeking to compartmentalize that crowd-sourced news dynamic based on interests sound good on paper, but I wonder if you wind up with some hybrid of friendfeed and a message board. In the end, as you allude with the thrift store analogy, the democratization of news is a net loss for signal/noise ratio.
  • I'm not sure if the "democratization of news" is necessarily a net loss... but it certainly can be. I once had high hopes for social news as a whole, and I have to admit I'm a bit disheartened these days. That said, I do think that the right community mix, the right level of admin/editorial curation, and the right subject areas (probably niche e.g. punk music versus "news") has potential to be unique and valuable.
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