Comments on: How do we decide who makes up the celebrity A List? http://onlinemediacultist.com/2008/04/23/how-do-we-decide-who-makes-up-the-celebrity-a-list/ Web producer, writer, online media cultist. That's how I roll. Wed, 17 Mar 2010 05:52:08 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Eric Berlin http://onlinemediacultist.com/2008/04/23/how-do-we-decide-who-makes-up-the-celebrity-a-list/comment-page-1/#comment-983 Eric Berlin Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:18:50 +0000 http://onlinemediacultist.com/2008/04/23/how-do-we-decide-who-makes-up-the-celebrity-a-list/#comment-983 Hey Raoul - Well, I tend to look at it in two ways: would it provide value in terms of meeting a "market need" i.e. value as a product and would it provide value to an audience. Taking your thoughts into account, I'd still argue yes on both points. I don't see Digg's audience as providing "skewed" opinions, for instance. I simply see the stories on Digg as being popular / important with the Digg community. And honestly, wouldn't sucking some power away from the entertainment industry and returning it to "the people" be kind of a cool thing? I suppose the original thought behind the idea was: who comes up with this A List, D List stuff in the first place? Wouldn't it be cool if you had a site that let people (who were into this kind of thing) decide? If the site was popular at all, then at the least it could be an "authority" on this topic to combat and perhaps refute the whims of the celeb creators and managers that you mention. Hey Raoul – Well, I tend to look at it in two ways: would it provide value in terms of meeting a “market need” i.e. value as a product and would it provide value to an audience. Taking your thoughts into account, I’d still argue yes on both points.

I don’t see Digg’s audience as providing “skewed” opinions, for instance. I simply see the stories on Digg as being popular / important with the Digg community. And honestly, wouldn’t sucking some power away from the entertainment industry and returning it to “the people” be kind of a cool thing?

I suppose the original thought behind the idea was: who comes up with this A List, D List stuff in the first place? Wouldn’t it be cool if you had a site that let people (who were into this kind of thing) decide?

If the site was popular at all, then at the least it could be an “authority” on this topic to combat and perhaps refute the whims of the celeb creators and managers that you mention.

]]> By: Raoul http://onlinemediacultist.com/2008/04/23/how-do-we-decide-who-makes-up-the-celebrity-a-list/comment-page-1/#comment-982 Raoul Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:48:12 +0000 http://onlinemediacultist.com/2008/04/23/how-do-we-decide-who-makes-up-the-celebrity-a-list/#comment-982 The thing is, while a site like that would be cool, it would do two things (off the top of my head): 1. Present a skewed opinion of who's hot or not, because audience would be limited in much the same way that Digg's audience is limited and restricted to groups of certain people. You wouldn't get the popular opinion, you'd get the opinion of the people who frequent the site. 2. Take away power from celebrities and their agents/managers/PR to "place" stories in the media in order to influence public opinion. This has been going on as long as the movie/music business has made significant amounts of money (cca. turn of the century, and one could even go back to the 19th century theater stars). This is a tried-and-true method of bumping one's celebrity status, and they will resent having that power lessened. On the other hand, what's not to say they'll hire out underlings to go and vote for them, thus effectively biasing "public" opinion once more. Don't forget you can pay a fee to get your article to the front page of Digg. Why would this new site be any different, especially when there's much more at stake? The thing is, while a site like that would be cool, it would do two things (off the top of my head):

1. Present a skewed opinion of who’s hot or not, because audience would be limited in much the same way that Digg’s audience is limited and restricted to groups of certain people. You wouldn’t get the popular opinion, you’d get the opinion of the people who frequent the site.

2. Take away power from celebrities and their agents/managers/PR to “place” stories in the media in order to influence public opinion. This has been going on as long as the movie/music business has made significant amounts of money (cca. turn of the century, and one could even go back to the 19th century theater stars). This is a tried-and-true method of bumping one’s celebrity status, and they will resent having that power lessened.

On the other hand, what’s not to say they’ll hire out underlings to go and vote for them, thus effectively biasing “public” opinion once more. Don’t forget you can pay a fee to get your article to the front page of Digg. Why would this new site be any different, especially when there’s much more at stake?

]]> By: Eric Berlin http://onlinemediacultist.com/2008/04/23/how-do-we-decide-who-makes-up-the-celebrity-a-list/comment-page-1/#comment-981 Eric Berlin Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:55:29 +0000 http://onlinemediacultist.com/2008/04/23/how-do-we-decide-who-makes-up-the-celebrity-a-list/#comment-981 Thanks Janice! Thanks Janice!

]]> By: Janice http://onlinemediacultist.com/2008/04/23/how-do-we-decide-who-makes-up-the-celebrity-a-list/comment-page-1/#comment-984 Janice Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:55:28 +0000 http://onlinemediacultist.com/2008/04/23/how-do-we-decide-who-makes-up-the-celebrity-a-list/#comment-984 I like that idea! That would be a website that I think I would frequent! I like that idea! That would be a website that I think I would frequent!

]]> By: Eric Berlin http://onlinemediacultist.com/2008/04/23/how-do-we-decide-who-makes-up-the-celebrity-a-list/comment-page-1/#comment-979 Eric Berlin Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:05:44 +0000 http://onlinemediacultist.com/2008/04/23/how-do-we-decide-who-makes-up-the-celebrity-a-list/#comment-979 Thanks Mathew ! Thanks Mathew !

]]> By: Mathew Ingram http://onlinemediacultist.com/2008/04/23/how-do-we-decide-who-makes-up-the-celebrity-a-list/comment-page-1/#comment-980 Mathew Ingram Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:50:00 +0000 http://onlinemediacultist.com/2008/04/23/how-do-we-decide-who-makes-up-the-celebrity-a-list/#comment-980 That's a great idea, Eric. Would be fun to watch :-) That’s a great idea, Eric. Would be fun to watch :-)

]]> By: Eric Berlin http://onlinemediacultist.com/2008/04/23/how-do-we-decide-who-makes-up-the-celebrity-a-list/comment-page-1/#comment-978 Eric Berlin Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:35:09 +0000 http://onlinemediacultist.com/2008/04/23/how-do-we-decide-who-makes-up-the-celebrity-a-list/#comment-978 Thanks, and very interesting idea! In my view -- and of course there's no right/wrong here -- it would probably need to be much more simple, probably simple up/down digg- or reddit-style voting, but who knows? On a separate note, occurred to me that the A List / B List voting system might be a fun game to play within the blogosphere! Could use a combo of alexa, technorati, and user voting, something like that. Could be fun :-) Thanks, and very interesting idea! In my view — and of course there’s no right/wrong here — it would probably need to be much more simple, probably simple up/down digg- or reddit-style voting, but who knows?

On a separate note, occurred to me that the A List / B List voting system might be a fun game to play within the blogosphere! Could use a combo of alexa, technorati, and user voting, something like that. Could be fun :-)

]]> By: Webomatica http://onlinemediacultist.com/2008/04/23/how-do-we-decide-who-makes-up-the-celebrity-a-list/comment-page-1/#comment-977 Webomatica Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:21:32 +0000 http://onlinemediacultist.com/2008/04/23/how-do-we-decide-who-makes-up-the-celebrity-a-list/#comment-977 Yeah that's a good idea. I think one could figure out some sort of algorthim to form a basis (that might be your profiling) - as in, a hit movie or TV show would be +1, a flop would be -1, an appearance on a reality tv show would be -1, an academy award +1, etc. Yeah that’s a good idea. I think one could figure out some sort of algorthim to form a basis (that might be your profiling) – as in, a hit movie or TV show would be +1, a flop would be -1, an appearance on a reality tv show would be -1, an academy award +1, etc.

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