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	<title>Comments on: The shifting Shyftr debate</title>
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	<description>Web producer. Writer. Online Media Cultist.</description>
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		<title>By: Raoul</title>
		<link>http://onlinemediacultist.com/2008/04/14/the-shifting-shyftr-debate/#comment-3120</link>
		<author>Raoul</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 15:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Right on, Eric! See my comments at &lt;a href="http://www.blogherald.com/2008/04/14/the-shyftr-saga/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Blog Herald&lt;/a&gt; about this. Basically, Shyftr is still displaying my full feed items -- their policy change didn't affect my content one bit. That means they're still getting a DMCA take-down notice. And I still consider them content thieves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on, Eric! See my comments at <a href="http://www.blogherald.com/2008/04/14/the-shyftr-saga/" rel="nofollow">Blog Herald</a> about this. Basically, Shyftr is still displaying my full feed items &#8212; their policy change didn&#8217;t affect my content one bit. That means they&#8217;re still getting a DMCA take-down notice. And I still consider them content thieves.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Berlin</title>
		<link>http://onlinemediacultist.com/2008/04/14/the-shifting-shyftr-debate/#comment-3121</link>
		<author>Eric Berlin</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://onlinemediacultist.com/2008/04/14/the-shifting-shyftr-debate/#comment-3121</guid>
					<description>We both used the term "smoke and mirrors," great minds (or something), eh ? It's very interesting that they're holding firm on showing full feeds in "the reader," as Louis Gray calls it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We both used the term &#8220;smoke and mirrors,&#8221; great minds (or something), eh ? It&#8217;s very interesting that they&#8217;re holding firm on showing full feeds in &#8220;the reader,&#8221; as Louis Gray calls it.</p>
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		<title>By: Saul Good</title>
		<link>http://onlinemediacultist.com/2008/04/14/the-shifting-shyftr-debate/#comment-3122</link>
		<author>Saul Good</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 21:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://onlinemediacultist.com/2008/04/14/the-shifting-shyftr-debate/#comment-3122</guid>
					<description>I still don't get all the fuss.  I have read all the comments all over the internet this weekend and you are still upset even though Shyftr has done right.  I have my own issues with the site, but clearly they are not the same issues you have.

My guess is you probably have downloaded music files for free.  You were probably all for the use of free trade on the internet.  What about the blogs such as Engadget who use info from other blogs and still make money from advertisers.  Why are you not upset with them?

I saw what Shyftr is doing and it seems to me that you are more jealous then upset.  If you are publishing your blog to rss feeds, you are esentially allowing people to use it for free.  If you don't like where it is headed, then turn off the rss feeds on your blog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still don&#8217;t get all the fuss.  I have read all the comments all over the internet this weekend and you are still upset even though Shyftr has done right.  I have my own issues with the site, but clearly they are not the same issues you have.</p>
<p>My guess is you probably have downloaded music files for free.  You were probably all for the use of free trade on the internet.  What about the blogs such as Engadget who use info from other blogs and still make money from advertisers.  Why are you not upset with them?</p>
<p>I saw what Shyftr is doing and it seems to me that you are more jealous then upset.  If you are publishing your blog to rss feeds, you are esentially allowing people to use it for free.  If you don&#8217;t like where it is headed, then turn off the rss feeds on your blog!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Berlin</title>
		<link>http://onlinemediacultist.com/2008/04/14/the-shifting-shyftr-debate/#comment-3123</link>
		<author>Eric Berlin</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://onlinemediacultist.com/2008/04/14/the-shifting-shyftr-debate/#comment-3123</guid>
					<description>Hi Saul -- 

I do laud Shyftr for making strives toward protecting publisher rights; I'm simply saying that I'm still uncomfortable with what they're doing even with those further changes made. 

I'm not sure what illegal music downloads and "free trade" on the Internet has to do with this issue. And I hadn't heard about Engadget "using info from other blogs" to make money -- what's that about? 

I don't think what when you offer an RSS feed that the publisher is "essentially allowing people to use it for free." It's a service that lets people pull the content of a site into an RSS reader. 

The expectation is that this is a private or semi-private experience. Publishers can count the number of RSS subscribers they have and advertise to those readers if they wish (I don't do this at the moment, by the way). This readership can be counted as a core subscriber base for a website. 

Further, the expectation is that when readers of the RSS feed wish to comment on the story, that they will click back to the original source to do so, interacting with the publisher and other commenters. 

Shyftr's current model, even with the changes they've made, doesn't go far enough in my view in allaying these concerns. 

Others will surely disagree with this opinion but I reserve the right (still) to voice it on my own web publication. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Saul &#8212; </p>
<p>I do laud Shyftr for making strives toward protecting publisher rights; I&#8217;m simply saying that I&#8217;m still uncomfortable with what they&#8217;re doing even with those further changes made. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what illegal music downloads and &#8220;free trade&#8221; on the Internet has to do with this issue. And I hadn&#8217;t heard about Engadget &#8220;using info from other blogs&#8221; to make money &#8212; what&#8217;s that about? </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think what when you offer an RSS feed that the publisher is &#8220;essentially allowing people to use it for free.&#8221; It&#8217;s a service that lets people pull the content of a site into an RSS reader. </p>
<p>The expectation is that this is a private or semi-private experience. Publishers can count the number of RSS subscribers they have and advertise to those readers if they wish (I don&#8217;t do this at the moment, by the way). This readership can be counted as a core subscriber base for a website. </p>
<p>Further, the expectation is that when readers of the RSS feed wish to comment on the story, that they will click back to the original source to do so, interacting with the publisher and other commenters. </p>
<p>Shyftr&#8217;s current model, even with the changes they&#8217;ve made, doesn&#8217;t go far enough in my view in allaying these concerns. </p>
<p>Others will surely disagree with this opinion but I reserve the right (still) to voice it on my own web publication. <img src='http://onlinemediacultist.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Fast five sites: Disqus, Plaxo, LinkRiver, Diigo, fav.or.it &#166; Online Media Cultist</title>
		<link>http://onlinemediacultist.com/2008/04/14/the-shifting-shyftr-debate/#comment-3150</link>
		<author>Fast five sites: Disqus, Plaxo, LinkRiver, Diigo, fav.or.it &#166; Online Media Cultist</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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